Enzymes, HCL, and Tributyrin with Steven Wright and Shivan Sarna

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12.3.24 Ask Us (Almost) Anything- Holiday Edition with Steve Wright and Shivan Sarna
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9.16.24 How to Calm Racing Thoughts and Soothe Panic Naturally with Steve Wright
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How to Improve Food Reactions and Your Brain with Steve Wright 8.13.24
1:03:34
Is Your Body Secretly Suffering from Leaky Gut? with Steve Wright 6.13.24 at 3pm ET
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Are your gut problems the result of this missing molecule? with Steven Wright 5.14.24 at 3pm ET
1:12:45
Is histamine toxicity driving your gut and health problems? with Steven Wright 4.22.24 at 3pm ET
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How to Stop Allergies Before They Start or Healing the Root Cause of Your Allergies with Steven Wright March 2024
Sleep Better, Be Well with Steven Wright February 2024
53:05
How Your Microbiome is Linked to Gas and Bloating and How to Optimize Your Gut with Steven Wright 1.9.24 @ 3pm ET
57:55
Holiday Indulgences: How to Have It All with Engineered Health Hacks with Steven Wright 11.6.23 @ 3pm ET
58:31
Magnesium Revisited: Is Magnesium Really Needed? with Steven Wright 10.16.23 @ 3pm ET
58:48
Tired of a Limited Diet and Food Fear? Get Empowered with Steven Wright 9.13.23 @ 3pm ET
58:30
Relieve Constipation Naturally: Fiber, Movement, and More with Steven Wright 8.7.23 @ 3pm ET
55:28
What if You Could Bulletproof Your Gut Once and For All? with Steven Wright 7.10.23 @ 3pm ET
49:38
Why Your Gut Problems are Ruining Your Sleep and How to Fix It with Steven Wright 6.19.23 @ 3pm ET
1:00:44
Bloating, Constipation, and Beyond with Steven Wright 5.15.23 @ 3pm ET
Probiotics, Prebiotics, and Paraprobiotics: A 101 Lesson with Steven Wright 4.10.23 @ 3pm ET
58:48
The Quickest Way to Have Gut Breakthrough with Steven Wright 3.13.23 @ 3pm ET
50:28
The Real Leaky Gut Map Revealed with Steven Wright 2.6.23 @ 3pm ET
55:44
How to Eat What You Want This Holiday Season with Steven Wright 11.7.22
52:14
Magnesium and the Gut with Steven Wright 10.16.22
45:54
Breaking the Cycle of Food Elimination: When Less Is Not More With Steven Wright 8.8.22
1:08:12
Magnesium Wars: Is Magnesium Really Needed? with Steven Wright 7.18.22
1:01:45
Strong vs. Smart Immune Responses: 5 Immune System Misfires and How to Avoid Them with Steven Wright 6.27.22
49:30
Leaky Gut: How to Know if You Have It and the 4 Top Ways to Treat It 5.10.22
1:08:28
How TRIBUTYRIN-X™ Improves Leaky Gut and Motility with Steven Wright 4.28.22
5 Root Causes for Bloating and What to Do About It with Steven Wright 3.28.22
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How to Improve Your Digestion With Steven Wright 2.7.22
58:22
5 Ways To Make Yourself More SIBO Resistant with Steven Wright 1.10.22
1:00:15
An Overview of TRIBUTYRIN-X™ with formulator, Steven Wright
An Overview of HoloZyme™ with formulator, Steven Wright
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An Overview of HCL Guard+™ with formulator, Steven Wright

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Hi. I'm Siobhan Sarna. I'm here with Steven Wright, who is going to be talking to us today about anxiety and things that we can do that have a phenomenal result very quickly. And I talked to Steven about, this, and I did not believe him until I prove it to myself because poor Steven has to deal with me being so cynical all the time. Hi.

I'm Siobhan Sarna, and this is Steven Wright. I have that for an intro. And Steven has created a very small, specific, line of supplements that are you take both orally, and there's some topical treatments as well. And these are things he couldn't find out in the marketplace Sarna or things that he didn't know even existed, and then he found them, like, almost by accident or right place, right time, because that's the way he prepares his life. And, as a result, a lot of people are getting really, really great results, sorry, that are, helping them to get through the day and night much more effectively, calmly, peacefully, and with better health and outlooks and results.

Hi, Steven. Hey, Siobhan. Does that include you? That does include me. We can put you on the list finally?

Alright. Finally, you can put me on the list. B Sarna and I are friends. I love b Serene, and b Serene loves me back. Why don't we talk a little bit about anxiety and how this all came to be so people can figure out what the heck I'm talking about?

We have a lot of people listening today who, really need help, and that's Yeah. Yeah. This is a this is a very sensitive topic. It's very near and dear to my heart. Hopefully, I'm gonna give you some tips and tricks that you can do to improve your mental health that are cost effective and free, and then we'll talk about some products you can use that are, also extremely supportive.

If you are like me and you've had panic attacks or you've had major anxiety episodes or depressive episodes, and you wanna out yourself, go ahead and, you know, throw that in the chat. So when I was, near my sickest, meaning, like, when my symptoms were the most expressed, I was I had taken in the new job in Chicago. I was walking through the the high rises. I came from a small town. This is a very exciting experience for me.

It was, like, my 3rd day of work, and suddenly I could not catch my breath despite being, you know, highly in shape in, like, 22 or 23 at the time. And I end up spending, like, 30 minutes on a park bench, not knowing that I was experiencing my first panic attack. And then I would have, you know, several more in the coming months, and that was also the time in which I was having the most bloating, the most visceral hypersensitivity pain, like knives in my gut. I was alternating between constipation and diarrhea. I had acne.

I would have my most major depressive episode, starting then for the next few months in which I was using copious amounts of alcohol to cope and didn't really have any tools, and I'm really glad that I, you know, pulled through all of that. And so I just wanna say that this stuff, you know, is, runs in my family, and it's been it's been highly tied to my gut health. And so what I would say is that my personal story and the research literature suggests the worse your gut is, the worse your mental health will be. And so if you're experiencing both or one or the other right now, you can pretty much assume the other organ or the other pathology is happening. And don't be surprised that the worse one of them gets, the worse the other one will get.

And it so it should not we should no longer be confused or surprised if someone is having IBD or IBS or extreme gut issues, SIBO, whatever. And then they're also having intense mental health challenges. That's that's what the research says. That's what many people besides me have experienced and wrote their stories online. And so let's just start with, like, normalizing that and making it okay.

And then also saying that there's a way out of this, and it doesn't have to just be my way. There's many other people that can help you out of this. And so there's a lot of hope around this stuff because we didn't know in 2009 when this was happening to me all the research we know now. We did not have the tools we have now. And so I think that's the cool thing is that we can really, bring in support really quickly, including, you know, some stuff we'll talk about this afternoon before you go to bed tonight.

Alright. Alright. So, Steven, when, we're not even just talking about brain this is beyond brain fog. Yes. Brain fog and the gut are directly connected, but this is not and anxiety.

That's they're different. But brain fog can cause anxiety and all of that. But, this is like that next level. Can we just get straight to it and talk about the solutions? Because I think a lot of us can just, like, appreciate, like, we don't need to describe what anxiety is at this stage.

Go ahead. Help us, Steven. Yeah. So, essentially, and you've had Quran on here talking. You've had a lot of other experts on here talking about this stuff.

But, if you have dysbiosis, which is, you know, your microbiome is not as diverse as a healthy person or it doesn't have the same volume of, critters in it as a healthy Allison. And you have dysbiosis if you basically have gut symptoms. So if you have a c if you have a diagnosis of SIBO or SIFO or you throw anything in the chat. I don't care if it's microscopic colitis. Whatever you throw at me, I'm gonna say yes.

You pretty much have dysbiosis because every time they ask for an autoimmune condition, Parkinson's, anything in the gut, in in these states of of ill health, you have dysbiosis. And so if you're experiencing pain, you should assume with 99.8% accuracy, you have dysbiosis. If you have dysbiosis, what that means typically is you're gonna have less neurotransmitters being made in the gut. You'll typically have less short chain fatty acids made in the gut. And so then that creates a cycle of worse, gut issues and worse mental health conditions.

So what we need to talk about today is anything that is going to help overcome dysbiosis and improve the microbiome, and then we're gonna need to address the elephant in the room, which is that, the conditions associated that I just mentioned, SIFO, SIBO, candida, parasites, IBS, IBD, anything, they do not just resolve tomorrow or in a month or you know, it typically takes you a while to work through the steps of functional and integrative healing, and I don't believe people should just be suffering during those time periods. So dysbiosis will not did not start right now. It will not go away right now. But there are steps that we can do immediately and some of those steps are sunlight. Getting outside the first 10 minutes of the day with no glasses, no sunglasses, no contact lens.

It does not have to be sunny out. It you don't need sun in your eyes. You just need to be outside. Because when you're outside when you first wake up in the morning, the, luminosity, the the volume of light outside is, like, 10 to a 1000 x. What's inside?

No matter how good your lighting systems Sarna. And syncing that total volume of light to your brain after you wake up. And then doing that if you can again before you go to bed, but in the morning is the most important part. It basically is like a way to sync your clock. And this clock is associated with less dysbiosis.

It's your circadian rhythm, and it's associated with less dysbiosis and better mental health, better gut health, better everything health. And so if you can make that small step, I know that some people live in a really temperate climate in the south, and it's easy to go outside every day. Other people live in the north, and it's so you gotta pay a little bit of a cold price to go out there, but it can be it's free. The only thing that that it costs you is a little challenge and pain sometimes when it's cold out or rainy or whatever. But that step in and of itself, syncing your circadian rhythm will help your sleep.

It will help your microbiome, and it will hopefully help your mental health, pretty quickly. It is remarkable about how fast you can feel a difference with that. For sure. For sure. I really Sarna talk about Bsoreen.

I wanna kinda leap forward, with the frog head because, because it's so important. Tell me that so it's a cream. Yep. And, you know, I put on Luverderm lotion. It I don't get a result.

Alright. Like, this is it. Mine's actually in my suitcase still. I haven't had a chance to unpack. And what does it do?

So, when you're in these states of dysbiosis, you are probably almost guaranteed not to make the right numbers of neurotransmitters including GABA, sometimes serotonin, dopamine, these types of things. And if you look at associated conditions with gut health, GABA is is the one that we're probably all could use a little bit more. So, whether you're anxious, whether you're stressed, whether you're trying to recover, GABA is one of the main neurotransmitters that is, like, soothing. It's a it's like a weighted blanket for your whole body, for your nervous system, and we know that if your nervous system or your vagal tone, your HRV is another way to look at vagal tone. The higher that is, the better your gut health no matter what's going on in your body, whether you have a parasite or not.

And so define HRV before you move on? Yeah. Heart rate variability. So it's basically how irregular does your heart beat. And that sounds bad, but it's actually good.

The more irregular your heart is just handling life, actually, the healthier it is. And so, if you have an Oura ring or a whoop band or or there they have, other ways you can measure HRV, the higher the number, typically, the Siebecker. And the lower the number, typically, the more you're in sympathetic dominance, which is basically you're stressed all the time even if you don't perceive your life to feel like stress, you are. And associated with those conditions is low gap. Now the problem with taking oral supplements, in my opinion and my experience, and studies show this as well, is that many of them are not absorbed very well.

And the question is, is it because the microbiome and the the the bugs down there are eating all the chemicals, or is it just not being can it not just get through the gut lining and into the body? We we don't really know these answers yet. But GABA is one that I identified a long time ago. I was like, dude, I meet this like, if you Google low GABA symptoms, I meet, like, 50% or more of them all the time. But I would take all kinds of GABA orally at doses it is that are very inappropriate, and I wouldn't feel very much.

And it was very it was very frustrating to me, until I met, well, I'd known a colleague, doctor Morgan Camp, for a really long time, and they had figured out this herb malungu, and then they figured out a topical honey, because it sounds like you just had a glitch in the Zoom. He had found this herb called malungu, m u l u n g u, Mulungu, out of Brazil. And he was using it for a social anxiety. He went down to the rainforest and he was like, shamans, give me the Ayahuasca, give me the whatever I need to drink to deal with my traumas, deal with my anxiety so I can, you know, go into Whole Foods and not be super anxious. And they said, okay.

We've we've feel you, and no. You should be just drinking Malungo tea, not a psychoactive, medicinal plant. And so they gave him Malungo for for a week, and then, it totally worked for his anxiety, for his insomnia. And when he came back to the States, he wanted to get access to it, but there wasn't really any companies that were have that had, like, access to it in the west. And so he worked to build a pipeline to get access to the moulungu, to build a formula with some other herbologists, that became the b Serene product line.

And then it just so happens, as I mentioned, I have a decent history with mental health issues, and he reached out to me. So we I helped him for a while, and then at some point in time, he decided he'd want to go back to private practice and not be a product company. And so we worked out a deal to take on the BSRIN product lineup and continue to improve it and make it stronger and better. So that's what we got here. Okay.

So it has maroon goo in it. Can you hold up hold it up and show us what it is and how it works, and how much do you use of it? So this is a topical buserine. I guess my camera's not focusing very well, but this is a topical. So this is designed to bypass the gut and act very efficiently and quickly.

So that's why it worked for me. This is what I used to get through the pandemic. Without this, I don't know what would've happened to me. I was almost bathing in it for for a little while there in February Mark. So it has GABA, L theanine, which are normal, products you'd find in an antianxiety formula.

It's just topically delivered. Then it has moulungu, California poppy, and albizia. Almost forgot albizia, the happy the happy tree. And so the 2 products work hand in hand, but the b Serene IR is the one I think, Siobhan, you love. It's the one I actually use, or I fell in love with as well.

I almost use more of the daily now, but probably because my stress is a little bit more under control. But the the topical is really designed for those moments when you can't regulate yourself. And that is, you know, before bed, you're you close your eyes, your mind is popping off. You got this idea, that idea, Ukraine, nuclear war, presidential election, whatever it is, my kids' school, you know, it made me wake up in the middle of the night. Maybe it's a hot flash.

You know, you can't get back to bed. Your mind's thinking about your to do list. That's an inability to self soothe. That's an inability to regulate your nervous system. And so, this could happen before social settings.

And so that's where the b Sarna IR comes in is you can do a pump to 4 pumps. You just kinda do it on your wrist. You rub it in. If you want even extra boost, put it back here on your vagal nerve, so behind your ears. Some people will put it on their temples, but I actually find it's more effective to get it on your vagal nerve behind the near behind the ear.

I put it behind my ears on each side. Yeah. Yeah. And there's no there's no, like, maximum dose. Like, I don't know of anybody that's used more than me.

You'll just get to a point where you actually can't absorb anymore on your skin. You'll Good. You'll kinda wake up with a a film. But most people are using 22 pumps to 3 pumps. If you're like me and you're a little thick, in your nervous system's capacity to regulate, you might use 4, a few times a night if it's that bad.

It's not a pharmaceutical, so while it is highly effective, if, you're like, this is not like Ambien. Yeah. It's not like Ambien. It doesn't work like that. It's not that powerful.

Otherwise, it would be a drug. But at the, you know, 3 to 4 spurts, it could be extremely helpful. And the and the reason we believe is that we're essentially bypassing the microbiome, we're bypassing the gut, we're bypassing your stomach acid, and we're just going straight through the skin into the bloodstream, And that's why the effects are so different than if you'd taken these products, orally. Okay. So and then what's B Sarna Daily?

I'm trying to find that. It's right there. It's those blue boxes. Oh, this is B. Sarna daily?

Okay. Got it. The blue boxes. So so the daily is a much higher dose of the malungu, but it's oral capsules. It's chafardi root, holy basil, shishandra, and romania.

And all of those 5 herbs are parasympathetic toners. So if you look at an adrenal product, like a high cortisol product, like, something that would lower your cortisol, something that would support your stress levels, This is b Serene daily is our version of that, and our version does not include ashwagandha. It does not include rhodiola. It does not include some of the plants that, while those plants are are nice plants and they have, you know, really good properties, they can be stimulating for some folks. They can be, not tolerated by some folks with, certain gut related issues.

All of these herbs are designed to be super parasympathetic dominant, meaning they're we're trying to drive you into parasympathetic mode experience, and we're not trying to balance your nervous system. We're not trying to, like, support the the the sympathetic and the parasympathetic. We're trying to we're trying to strengthen your parasympathetic or get you into it if you can't figure out how to get into it yourself. And so I take it with dinner. Some people start at lunch.

They take 1 or 2 pills at lunch or 1 or 2 pills at dinner. I take 3 at dinner, and that's that's kinda my nightly routine. Most people only need need 2, but if, again, if you're a little thick, if you're a little resistant like I am, you might need a little bit more. Again, the goal is to try a different way of dealing with, our nervous system imbalances. And that is meaning you can exercise Mark, and that will help you with your microbiome dysbiosis.

It'll help raise your butyrate. You can get out in the sun. You can try different diets. But But that stuff is not gonna change overnight. It's it does start the process, but it doesn't, like, resolve.

And so most of us need tools just like we have Tylenol and Aleve and Advil in our in our toolboxes that we know to reach for. Most of us need tools when we cannot self soothe or we can't cope or we're going through a hard time, that are not gonna hurt us. And and there's a lot of options from the pharmaceutical world that are very heavy handed, and then and they're they save lives every day. But they could be very heavy handed, and they have a lot of side effects if used, in in the long run. And so if we can use some of these herbs, some of these other ways to deal with stress, life, whatever it is that that's happening just could be the healing of your gut and the going through of something.

That we're finding is a significantly faster way to, overcome these sorts of issues. Excellent. Excellent. So I love that you're you you're not adding stuff just for the sake of adding stuff. Like, you're very conscious conscientious about what you you know, these types of formulas, just like with the designing of a home or, you know, putting on makeup or whatever.

What you don't do is just as important as what you do. So I love that you've you you could've thrown the kitchen sink in there, but you didn't, so I'm really glad about that. Let's go. Are you ready for some questions, sir? Yeah.

Okay. How to balance neurotransmitters with COM COMT plus plus? Have serious gut issues, which aren't getting better. Unfortunately, HLA multisusceptible halib type. I don't know what that word is.

Also, I have always lived in mold. So gut issues are probably related since I've had them for 71 years. Yes. That would be true, Sue. I'm so sorry you're dealing with mold for a lifetime.

That's a nightmare. Well, one of those things you need to do is to deal with the mold. I don't know what else to say. Yeah. Yeah.

Getting out of the mold is is gonna be a huge one too. It's a great question. I think, maybe this will be annoying to hear. Maybe it'll be freedom. I hope it's well, I don't really care what it is, but this is what I have to say about it.

I went deep down the genetics rabbit hole and the epigenetics rabbit hole around comp and and, what are the other fun ones that everybody has? MTHFR and all all the different ones. And what I found is that the, understanding of the test results and then the ability to execute treatment plans off those test results is, like, decades behind where we are with gut health. And in gut health, we're still kinda rudimentary, like, really, like, stool testing and stuff like that still kind of is is still not where we need it to be, as far as repeatability and and a and application and what do we do about it. The the epigenetic and genetic stuff is even farther behind, like, significantly farther.

And so, I don't see anything I I wouldn't do anything different based on your genetics, basically. I would get out of mold. I would try to take some binders before bed in case you are having some mycotoxin release on a daily basis. If those binders cause you to constipate, then I would take extra magnesium or extra vitamin c. And if you're having anxiety and stress around solving this mold issue, this, you know, the these gut issues, then I would bring in support products.

And Bsirene IR, Bsirene Daily are support products. But they're not the only ones. There's other support products out there that you could try. Your response to a product will tell you if your neurotransmitters are balancing. I can spout off research.

I can spout off dosages. But this is such a complex issue that you're gonna have to test products at different dosages, and you'll know quickly, oh, if I take 5 h two p, I'm worse. That's weird. I thought I should have taken it. That happens all the time.

If I take, you know, dopamine, l dopa or something like that, I should feel better, but I don't. That's weird. And so you just need to try some products. Be Serene, if it sounds like a good fit to you, give it a Shivan, and you'll know if you're getting more balanced or not. Okay.

I can't I I did have to just delete one comment. We can't just, like, do treat mold with. That's a bigger conversation, and none of this is medical advice. So I just need to be very careful. Do you, ship to Canada?

Yes. You do. Yep. Yes. Yep.

Guys, we do a 15% off for you on the bundle and free shipping in the US on orders over $125. Thanks to Steven and his generous discount for us. So check that all out on the website. The link is there in the chat. So across multiple gut nervous system dysfunctions, how do I untangle and prioritize?

And doesn't even matter which came first. After 20 years battling severe delusional OCD, Now I'm autistic with chronic Lyme, Babesia, and likely primary immune deficiency that may require I don't know what IVIG is. Well, again, so, like, remember, I my background's electrical engineering, complex system theory, mathematics, statistics. I love it when everything lines up. I love it when you can just do a root cause analysis, and you can lay everything out on a timeline even if it's super complex Sarna there's arrows going all over the place.

You just see my notes. I I geek out on that stuff. And what I've learned over the last 15 years is that oftentimes you end up with a diagram that you're like, cool. This is how everything's related, but what is the actions I can take off of this? And it's almost more confusing than if you hadn't done all the analysis in the first place.

And so in a case that's really complex like this, again, I would say anything you can do moving towards wholeness, meaning anything you can do that would soothe your nervous system that strengthens it without, pausing repercussions or negative feedback to the rest of your issues. So, I don't always love, like, just going after Lyme with intense antibiotics because there's repercussions to that. There are things like going out in the sunshine in the morning, gardening, being out in the dirt, exercise, 10,000 steps a day minimum or more for for these are things that everybody can do, and they'll make every condition better. And then things like b Serena IR or other products that you can bring in that are just supportive no matter what the root cause is as you start to work through, these issues. Please put your questions in the q and a box.

I'm working through them there. Kelly, in the 10 minutes outside before bed meant to capture darkness for sleep or preabsorb the light for the next day, Is the 10 do you see that question? I'm looking at this. So going out at night, I'm surrounded by street lights. No.

It's it's meant to, Kelly, it's meant to, capture, either the light before sun sunrise or sunrise light. And if you if you're on a a shifted time schedule, just try to spend 30 minutes outside, at some point during the day. There is a clock, I think it's called the SCN. I don't I can't say it for you. That essentially captures timing of light exposure and total light exposure throughout the day, and then that is what regulates a large percentage of our, our circadian rhythms.

And then those circadian rhythms affect literally everything in our body. And so there's been hyperfocus in the last 10 years around blue light and blue light in the bedroom and, you know, street lamps outside Sarna dark, you know, dark neighborhoods and things like that. And that that's that was a good phase we went through, but I really encourage people not to get freaked out if they're exposed to some light after dark, if they are exposed to some street lamps. Instead, focus on what you can control, which is the total amount of, luminosity or total amount of light exposure you can get through unfiltered, eyes. And that is gonna be, I think, potentially more beneficial to focus on than trying to eliminate every specific type of, negative light.

Is there any side effects for the cream so people feel groggy in the morning? I have histamine intolerance, and I'm super sensitive right now. If you can't if you're histamine intolerant and you're having mast cell activation, you can't tolerate any products right now, then you might need to work on some just regular nervous system stuff. If you can tolerate some products, the majority of our folks have histamine issues. And so, I would say it's a good test.

And then we have, like, specific, you know, go slow, go low, you know, do sprinkles of the daily, do a quarter pump of the b serine IR. You know, work your your work your way into it. Slow. No one could know if you're gonna feel drowsy, and maybe feeling drowsy is what you need for a few days as you sleep. I don't know.

Can Allison take this take it? So it's a great question. I didn't cover that. So the, the number one people that cannot take these products are anyone on prescription lithium. Sarna, there there may be an interaction in the products between, people on prescription lithium, not lithium orotate, which is a supplement.

They're not related, as far as the interactions go. So as far as adolescents, yes. We do have people using them, especially, folks on the ASD spectrum with kids who are having a hard time soothing. Please check with your pediatricians. Check with your doctors.

Being adult, we have not tested this in kids, and it's not meant to sort of treat anything. Does it have to be the first 10 minutes when you wake up that you get your sunshine, or can you do your morning routine for an hour and a half and then step outside? I mean, it doesn't have to be right away, but, the science suggests the sooner, the better. So if you could fit it into your monitoring, great. If if you're just not willing to, then just get outside at some point.

What if GABA doesn't seem to work? Tryptophan also doesn't seem to help. I do get great results with 5 HTP. What does that point to anything? Well, GABA through the skin is completely different than GABA through the gut.

So it doesn't matter if it's sublingual. It doesn't matter if it's, nano GABA or, you know, whatever kind of GABA you're talking about. Our cream GABA versus anything you put in your mouth is not the same. That's why that's why I even wanna carry this product lineup as it works so much differently. As far as, you know, why would FABH TB work more than tryptophan?

I I tend to think it actually does. I I like 5 h t p more than tryptophan almost every single time. There's a conversion step there from tryptophan to 5 h t p, and many of us might just have a issue. Maybe that is a genetic issue, but, again, I don't know the test for it. I don't think anybody does, and I don't think it's universal.

So I would just follow along with what works for you, and it sounds like serotonin, support with the 5 h TVs help helpful. And then, yeah, I would just challenge you to try some topical GABA. I think it'll be different. We'll give you your money back if it's not. Right.

Can I take your products if I have an ulcer that has been healed? Yes. Yes. 40 years dealing with anxiety disorders and 20 years with gut issues, including diverticulitis and IBS. I've been put on many antianxiety meds Sarna nothing really helped.

Presently on Per panel. Thank you. For anxiety and heart palpitations, would this product work for an anxiety disorder? It's supportive. It's supportive, and it can work alongside Propanol.

So, again, it it is supportive. I guess everybody knows this, but maybe they don't know this. Mental health conditions are complex just like gut conditions. There's a gut component to them. There is a nervous system component.

There's a neurotransmitter component. Those are not the same. There's a biological trauma emotional component to them. There's a patterns component. There's an environmental component.

So, B Serene daily and B Serene IR were designed for people with racing thoughts, you know, any sort of anxiety related issues, but they are part of a holistic treatment plan. And, again, I cannot guarantee success for these products. I don't know your dosage, but I can give you your money back if it doesn't work. And I can give you free health coaching with our team to try to figure that out. And be sure to talk to your doctor.

If you're on some heavy duty medication, talk to them before you add anything. I have autism and ulcerative colitis. I don't leave my house because of social anxiety. So sorry. What products would you suggest?

I'm in Pimentel income. That is a lot. Yeah. I would suggest the following. Get 10,000 steps a day inside.

If you can, open your window, stick your head out so the the sun is not going through the glass, at least 30 minutes a day. I would suggest going on YouTube and doing some free meditations about feeling safe in this world and that everything is okay no matter what. Those are all free things you can do, right from the inside your house and are almost must. They they're in the same category of impact as something like b Sarna IR. If if you are looking for that extra layer of comfort to try to exit the house or try to, implement some strategies, I think it's a worthy test.

But, again, this is not a a product that fixes these types of conditions. It's supportive along the way of correcting them. I took a rest and restore product at night by a certain doctor, and it was magnesium, l theanine, and Sarna GABA. Was hoping for Mark stressful night, but I felt like I was coming out of my skin all night so bad that I never took it again. Have you ever heard heard of a person that had the excitability type of a reaction to GABA?

Also, I have SIBO and emo and have anxiety issues with anxiety that I try to control myself with breath. Are you treating your SIBO, IMO? Go ahead, Steven. Yeah. Yeah.

So so, the excitatory experience to GABA is you're not rare. I mean, I guess it's it's it's a it's the most minor experience people have to GABA products. It happens just like some people have l Glutamine, which is universally considered extraordinarily safe and extraordinarily good for the gut. Some people experience excitatory symptoms to l Glutamine. The problem we don't know is we don't know if that means you're super low in GABA or you're super high in GABA.

We don't really know. Or it could have been the form in which you took it. And so, I would probably not use that form, Sarna GABA, and I probably wouldn't use that product because there's multiple things in there. You could try topical GABA. We don't seem to get those types of complaints, and I know exactly the ones you're talking about because I've had them, with other products, and we've tried to test other products inside the company.

So you could try our product. And, again, if not, then I'd be looking at something like Sarna daily, which does not include GABA, and it's a way to work on your nervous system without touching GABA per se. And once again, I don't know if it's because you're super low or super high. But for instance, it's really common for people it's not really common. A certain percentage of people take melatonin, and they're like, ugh.

Can't take that stuff. It makes you so groggy. My hypothesis is that means you're the lowest. Not not that you don't need it. It's actually you're so low that just a little bit of it is triggering so many body processes to kick off, and that you should potentially look at trying to dose through that with with some support in some ways.

And so the GABA thing could be that way, but I, you know, I can't guarantee that. Just joining, but wondering the best form of GABA slash enhance absorbency l hyphen question Mark. Is the kind what what kind is in, V Sarna? So we just have standard GABA inside V Seren because we don't need to modify it. So there there's so you have the GABA structure, and then you have the known issue that just GABA itself is destroyed by stomach acid.

It's not very well absorbed to the gut. So what companies have done and what scientists have done in all good faith and good ideas have tried to modify the compound and enhance its ability to be absorbed. So sometimes they'll attach fat to it, sometimes they'll change the structure of it. A Sarna gaba slightly changed that could become liposomal, it could become nano, it could become a lot of different things. All of those goals are to try to get it through your gut line.

I tried those. They didn't work for me. And when I started talking to other practitioners, I found the same universal feedback, which is that it doesn't seem to work for a lot of people with gut issues, which is why we're doing the topical delivery. We don't need to modify the the compound at all. We're just skipping the entire digestion process and saying, we don't know what happens down there, but something goes wrong.

And so let's try this other delivery route. So, this person who's say is saying about trying be serene, we're I wanna just preface it because some of your language makes me feel like you think I'm trying to convince you of anything, and I am not. Shivan and I are not interested in trying to convince anybody of anything. If you are interested in trying it because it calls your name and you feel inspired by it and this is like, oh, great. I didn't know about this before.

It could be a fit for me, and I'm willing to try and with an open heart, then you should. But if you're coming at it with a certain exhaustion and cynicism and discouragement that nothing Siebecker gonna help you or or, you know, it's a possible scam, please don't. So that's just my my response there. I know. Believe me.

I do this work because I've spent over I don't Sarna say the tens of 1,000 of dollars. I have also personally spent trying to find solutions. So that's why I'm really careful about the people that I bring on here because they are trustworthy, and I have vetted them and I've known them for years. Sometimes I bring on someone new and I'm excited. I've been very lucky and that I'm not disappointed with anybody that I brought on or their product.

So just that's just some of your language. You may not have meant anything by it, so I could be sensitive to that too because I am so careful. So that's what I have to say. He does have a return policy that is extraordinary, which is go ahead, Steven. Yeah.

So we have a 60 day return policy. We do keep a a shipping and restocking fee. I think it's 12.49, but the rest is is refunded. And, normally, if you're working with my team, taking advantage of the free health coaching, which is basically just, hey. Tell us about how you're using the product.

Hey. Maybe you wanna use half that much. Maybe you wanna use double that much. That's really what the health coaching is there for. You know, they can extend that.

They they have discretion to to to extend that, guarantee with you. The only thing is the the restocking fee and the shipping fee. What's the restocking fee? How much is that? Yeah.

It's a 12 I think it's 1295 or 1245, something like that. Okay. Now keep in mind, my husband was just in the hospital this weekend with co long COVID, potentially had a cardiac event. I have COVID right now. I'm recovering, pulling out of it.

And so I'm with you a 100%, my friends. I'm with you a 100%. Yeah. I think I think what people are what the message, like, don't try be like you said, don't try be Sarna if you're not ready to try. I gave Shivan I gave chiffon these products, like, 2 Look.

He's turning red, you guys. He's so frustrated. Thinking years ago, I gave these products, Chiffon. And and then, like, multiple shows later, I'd be like, please, I know you haven't. Just try it.

Chiffon, you're so stubborn. And she finally tried them, and I think it's gone well. I guess it has. I just yes. It has done very, very well.

And now I don't I get I don't panic when I don't have it, but I get a little, like, where's the cat? Where's my b, Serene? Like, I get a little you know, like, my proprioception of my stuff. I'm like, hey. Where is that?

Like, I like having a bottle downstairs and upstairs. And then if I wake up in the middle of the night, I, like, go to the other bathroom to brush my teeth or not make noise so David doesn't wake up. So I like to have a bottle in there too. This is a weird point being my only point being is that, I'm committed to building products at work. Yes.

And I can't make them work for everybody, but I try for 97%. And, we do have that money back policy. We do have the free health coaching. They are powerful products. They do work when other products have not.

And what I will say is I misunderstood for for most of my career how important, vagal tone in the nervous system is to healing your gut. In fact, if your doctor is not talking to you about that, you find someone who will talk to you about it because they are 1000% linked to your SIBO recovery, to your IMO recovery, to your methane, to recover whatever it whatever you're labeled as, whatever your tests show, if it's related to your gut, it's related to your nervous system. And that is a Pandora's box of of things. It includes vagal toning exercises and vagal toning machines, and includes therapy, and it includes, psychosomatic work, and it includes all kinds of all kinds of things that can be in that box. And let me tell you that box is deep, and it's important.

But going through that box with, like, a bleeding artery, like like, a known infection is, I don't think, very smart. And so the b serine product Mark lie lineup is there to support you when life becomes hard, when your thoughts won't turn off, when you're worried about the stress of your protocol, or if it's working or it's not, there that's what the products are there for, to bridge that gap of healing. And then afterwards, I hope you have a bottle in your medicine cabinet you barely touch, but it's there for those 2 weeks a year, Whether it's the holidays or the kids go back to school or something happens with your husband like Siobhan happened, that's what they're there for. And so I hope I hope people get that. They grasp it whether you try b Serene or not.

That that's the goal, and I think that's what they're there for. Remember when Sleepytime Tea from Celestial Seasonings first came out and you're like, I will have that, you know, like all this is chamomile tea, but that is like the genius of that marketing. And for any of you who's who's into yoga, I don't know if you know who Rodney Yee is. He's this beautiful yoga dude. And when I had a yoga studio, I studied with them a little bit, tiny bit.

And, I was talking to him about I had a yoga TV show at the time. I was thinking about doing yoga videos. And, the company Gaia back then, so in the nineties, had a video, and it was called yoga for beginners. I'll explain where I'm going with all this. And if you ever watched that video, it was so hard.

It was absolutely not yoga for beginners. It probably turned off more people from yoga than it helped seriously. It really pissed me off because my whole thing was like getting as many people into yoga as possible. So I've been on these campaigns to help people, like, since a long time. Anyway, so Rodney says to me, well, I was like, dude, that yoga video is not this is a long time, Karen.

I mean, yeah, it's a wonderful company. I don't know them, but I like their products too. But, back then, he was like, oh, yeah. The whole company is being funded by that one video. Where am I going with this?

That's all marketing. Right? Sleepy time to use chamomile tea. That video was marketing. This is real.

Okay. This has, like, studies behind it. This has Steven working his butt off. This isn't just like slap a label at CVS on the counter. It goes and, like, be serene, be calm.

That's not what this is. This has science behind it. I will stop ranting. I realize that was a rant, but that's the point, is that it's not bullpucky. It's actually, like, scientifically shown to help many people.

And to Steven's point, it helps people in a lot of ways when other things have failed. And that's the whole point. My whole Shivan, and I've been thinking a lot about it because I was at the microbiome labs conference in Monterey. Got sick while I was there, but it was an amazing conference. Saw Kieran Kirshan.

It was so much fun. And a lot of people who have been impacted by this work, which I was stunned by people who I've never met or have heard of before, like, were coming up telling me how a lot of these things that we've been doing together on webinars, etcetera, have been helping their patients and them. And it was awesome. And, they are having conversations that aren't happening in typical doctor's offices. That's why we do this work.

Steve is like, there are people suffering. I've suffered. I know their answers. I'm gonna go find them because no one else is doing that. Or the small group of concerned citizens are finding them, but it's a small group.

And so that's what we wanna do is to help you. If this appeals to you, you have a return policy. You have the 15% off. You have the free shipping over a certain threshold there. So give it a try, see what you think.

We do have to cut it short a little bit today because I double booked myself. But, yeah, Mark is saying everything Steve does is research backing. All his products have worked for me. Great. I also have a closet full of supplements.

Yeah. We're searchers. Right? We're seekers. I don't know anyone who has a bigger graveyard of supplements since Shivan Wright.

Maybe me, but his, I know, is, like, really big. Mona, that's Sarna. Right? Thanks for this webinar. Oh, good.

Yeah. And you know what, Carla? Maybe some of those supplements, if they were good from another company, they may not be working for you last year or last month, but they may be there perfect for you in the future. Follow your intuition. Like, oh, oh, I just read an article about this.

Hey. I've got that in my in my closet. I'm pointing to mine. You know, like, I'm not saying throw them out. And I also think there's a balance to when you purge and, right, like, you do, like, the feng shui sweep of, like, I don't even remember what this is.

I have I've actually thrown certain things out when I couldn't remember what it was. Quick Google search, determine whether or not it's worth keeping. Oh, yeah. I remember now. I read that study.

You know? Like, use your wisdom. Right? Okay. Yeah.

I mean, I think just to wrap up here a little bit, Laura, the as far as, like, a functional test, I'll tell you your GABA levels. You can do organic acids test from some companies that will give you approximation to your GABA levels. But, again, a symptom checklist for low GABA is probably as correlated to those levels as some of these tests are, and that's just the unfortunate truth. And to what Shivan just said, don't don't put me on a pedestal. Don't put Siobhan on a pedestal.

I'm going through a really intense time right now with a remodel that is not going to plan, and I started having, mid back and rib pain, like, 10 weeks ago. So bad that I couldn't sleep. I was it was really bad. And I was like, oh my gosh. What did I do?

I must have tweaked it in the gym. I couldn't, you know but, like, I had all these things, like, how do I get hit and not know it? I I went and saw body workers. I went and saw chiropractors. And they're like, I mean, you're a little tight.

You're a little, you know, this or that, but those things just wouldn't stick. And the truth was it was just stress related to the fact that we had to fire a contractor, and we had to deal with the situation that was really intense. And I totally blanked. I totally blanked on upping my b Sarna dosage. I totally blanked on using more b serine IR.

I didn't even it didn't cross my mind that this pain Right. In my rib in in the back of my ribs was, like, psychosomatic and stress related, because, you know, clearly, it was functional. Right. But did you feel, like, stabbed in the back by your, you know, your contractor? Like I mean, kind of.

Kind of, I suppose. I never thought about it that way. But yeah. And, anyways, I up my that's why I'm doing b Sarna 3 3 pills a day. I'm doing magnesium HP 44 per day.

I'm using the the IRR if things get a little intense. But just figuring that out almost made the pain go away immediately. Seriously. I mean, you all look. I hope you do try this because it really has helped me, and I really do wish like, I remember the very first time I saw Shivan talk about it.

And I was like, oh, oh, I love that it was a cream, and I'm just mad at myself for not doing it sooner because it really does help. I put mine on right before I go to bed, and it just it helps me so much with the brain racing, the lists, the I I tend to have these, like, pods. I call them pods. Like, I'm on a, like, like, I'm on a UFO. And the pods go out to the border and monitor them like little little soldiers, and then they come and report back.

And what happens for me is that they go if they go at all. Sometimes they don't go. But if they go, they come back, and it's like, it's fine. It's no big deal. And then, like, they don't need to keep going back out in this, like, weird hypervigilance before I go to sleep or waking up in the middle of the night.

And, like, did the pods come back? I mean, these are the words I'm using to describe it. When I'm in the state, I'm not going pods. Are you there? No.

It's much more of that. You know? But but yeah. So so and this is why the Beisir Sarna I are product has been so helpful for so many people. It's not because Siobhan doesn't know breathing techniques or meditation techniques or self calming, self soothing techniques.

It's not because I don't know them. I'm sitting there doing the techniques, and it's my mind will not let go and just release the day. And that's where the B, Serena, and I are cream is like nothing I've ever experienced before. And you shouldn't be thinking you're somehow broken or wrong if you need a crutch from time to time. Yeah.

It's a tool. Totally. Really, Laura. It's a tool. I'm not walking to the grocery store.

I'm going to get in my vehicle and drive because I'm blessed to have a car and gas. So it's a tool, and it's you know, you gotta find out what's right for you. I'm gonna wrap things up. So for waking up stress in the middle of the night, I found 3 to 4 pumps as needed, Carla is saying. Okay.

Great. If you all have, if this appeals to you, we'd love to have you give it a try. Steven, if someone wants to buy someone else something else on the site, how do they do that with a discount? I'm gonna ask a very basic question. Do you remember?

Because I'm just, go to cbosos.com in the shop, and it's all outlined for you there, the proper Yeah. Code and all links, etcetera. Yep. You just did, and it works. Okay.

Great. Okay. Great. Alright. Thank you so much, everybody.

This one was short and sweet. I appreciate you all so much. And, Steven, I'm gonna see you in less than 2 weeks in person in Arizona. I can't wait. We will.

Yes. See you soon. And, hang up about, your husband if you need it. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Taylor, good to see you. Thanks, everybody. Thanks. Alright. Thanks, everyone.

Grab it. You'll be glad you did. I really feel that way. Alright. Obviously.

Talk to you next time. Oh, hey, Nelson. Last thing. If you have low cortisol in the morning, is the cream still okay? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Give it a try. Experiment everybody.

Alright. Peace out. Thanks for joining us. I know you're busy. It means a lot.

Thanks.

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